Not sure if widget or figment of Paul's imagination

[MrWolf]

Hello boys and girls!

I was just playing with my new phone and thought I'd look through the widgets and was surprised to see a voxwav widget!

It doesn't seem to do anything though. It looked like it might add some buttons to my home screen for commonly used phrases so I could use my phone as a remote for Vox. This would be really useful in my bedroom for when Neesha is asleep and I need to get Alexander to perform a command like turn the lights off,  or start the waterfall. I always used Eventghost to do this previously but this would be a much better option.

Sadly I can tick the buttons but it doesn't add them to the home screen when I press back and I can't see any menu to save them. I've looked around the forum and the instructions for voxwav but can't see any mention of such a widget.

Is it not compatible with the galaxy S5 or is the widget not even supposed to be there?

Xxx

[jitterjames]

Sorry there is no such functionality.  It's not your imagination per se.  Just the side effects of the beginnings of a failed experiment.

If you want to send commands to VC from your Android though there are lots of ways to accomplish this.  If you can be more specific about your goal maybe I can suggest something.

For example, does it need to be a widget specifically?  Or could it be an app with a bunch of buttons.

Do you just need to trigger a few key macros that you can enter by hand, or do you want access to all your commonly spoken voice commands?

Would a web page work?

[MrWolf]

Hey man,

The goal is as few swipes as possible to be able to get to a remote of my most useful buttons I guess.

On my old phone I spent some time setting up Eventghost on the phone to trigger a few key commands, I'd created the Eventghost "home shortcuts" for them all, but for some reason the phone shrunk the icons which made them a bit sad to look at and an all round cheaper experience but they were livable.  I guess primarily I was just hoping the functionality was there to save me setting up Eventghost on my new phone.

The buttons I'd set up before were:
A button to trigger the existing voice command that starts the waterfall sound ("help me to sleep")
PC volume up and down buttons
An XBMC pause/resume button
Jump forward a few seconds in XBMC
Jump backwards a few seconds in XBMC
Main lights on and off
Side lights on and off
Start listening (Vox)

I know most of that is already in Kodi's remote and in the 3rd party Yatse which I use heavily at present, but having it all on one of my home panels in one place is the ideal and if it was powered by Voxwav then even better.

I'll see what the icons come out like from Eventghost on the new phone, maybe the S5 won't shrink them.

Thanks as always for your ponderance.

xxx

[Kalle]

Hi Paul, Irule (www.iruleathome.com) is a configurable softremote for iOS and Android, but a bit expensive 
But they have a 15 days trial to test. The app for the mobile is for free, but the cloud based Software (editor) cost some bucks - starts at 50$ for 3 handsets.

[jitterjames]

For your purposes I recommend using one of these options.

1-  Use the TCP plugin with the simple web server and a web page with your buttons on it and putting a shortcut to the page on your phone's home screen.  The TCP webserver comes with a sample web page.  I'm actually surprised no one has done more with this options.

2 - Use Tasker widgets and the UDP plugin to send commands to VC.  If you don't already have Tasker it's not expensive and most people find it useful for other things anyway.

3 - I think I have an experimental app that I made called "sender" around here somewhere.  I have it installed on my tablet but I'm not sure if I still have the apk.  To use that you create an xml file by hand and plop some matching png files into a folder on your Android.  It just creates a gird of buttons, no drag and drop etc. but it works... and you can send commands directly to the HALX too.

You also have the option of creating a web page on the HALX but that is a pain to set up, and I don't even really remember how anymore!

Of course there are a lot of other ways to do the same thing.  iRule can make great interfaces but it is difficult to set up and expensive and I think it is overkill for what you want.

[marcusvdt]

James, as I told you before, this subject is of great interest to me. I know VC is about voice control, but I need also a way for silently controlling the house or reading status of its sensors, preferably in a way that I can do that from the internet too.

That's why I already started to plan for something similar to the option 1 that you mentioned, by building some scripts to get all the commands from voicecommands.xml using some specific criteria to filter what commands should be "scanned". Then the script would automatically create a static web page with all my desired commands and their respective payloads available on drop downs (payloads would not be available for media however due to too large payloads).

Option 3 seems interesting too. Please post the apk if you still have it.

Thanks!

[PegLegTV]

I use Tasker and made an app for my lights, Volume control, speaker control and a Panic button





Buttons:
Living Room:
tap- toggles my living room lights
Long press- sends off command (in case your not sure if they are on)
slider 1, Dims living room lights

Master Bedroom:
toggles my living room lights
Long press- sends off command (in case your not sure if they are on)
slider 2, Dims Master bedroom lights

***Panic***,
long press- Sets off a panic alarm and makes my lights start flashing red (no noise when long pressing)
tap- turns off the alarm


Inside/All Off
tap- sets speakers to inside
Long press- Sets Speakers to all off

Outside/All On
tap- sets speakers to outside
Long press- Sets speakers to all on

Vol +
tap- Vol up 3 times
Long press- Vol up 10 times

Vol-
tap- Vol down 3 times
Long press- Vol down 10 times


It wasn't to difficult to set up and I just use VC's TCP server, the only down side is that the sliders don't match the actual state of the lights (I would need VC to communicate with Tasker what it is set to)

if you want more info on how to set it up let me know and I could put something together

[nime5ter]

@PegLegTV -- Maybe if you add autoremote to the mix you can get some feedback from VC wrt light or volume state?

I believe you can use scrape actions to send messages to autoremote.

http://autoremotejoaomgcd.appspot.com/

Might not be instantaneous, but probably OK.

[Dave]

1-  Use the TCP plugin with the simple web server and a web page with your buttons on it and putting a shortcut to the page on your phone's home screen.  The TCP webserver comes with a sample web page.  I'm actually surprised no one has done more with this options.

I used the webserver solution with EG and just adapted my web page to work with VC instead today, since VC got so powerful that I don't need EG anymore 

[MrWolf]

Thank you all, this has been a massive help as always

I had already paid for tasker a long time ago but hadn't had a lot of use for it outside of the NFC stuff I'd done until today.

Never used the UDP functionality of Vox before, it's taken Eventghost out of the equation for my mobile solutions. The icons that come with Tasker are also nice enough and appear at a sensible size when used as widgets.

Great stuff. Thanks all.

Xxx

[marcusvdt]

Some nice ideas, thanks guys! I'll try it myself as soon as I finish many other things 

@Paul, I've had some good laughs with your video of the burglar. Thanks! 

[nime5ter]

For those who don't want to have to start from scratch, but who would like to implement a web server solution (as Dave demonstrated above), I am attaching an example here that you're welcome to adapt. It should be mobile-friendly.

Basically, you need to enable the TCP plugin, and within its settings enable the "simple web server".

• Place the attached vox_remote.html file in your vc folder\plugins\TCP\html folder.
• On your local network, you should then be able to navigate to this page from any web browser (only if VoxCommando is running!).

The URL will be

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http://your VC machine's IP address:port number/html/vox_remote.html... or if your computers have names on the LAN, you can use that instead of the IP address usually. e.g.

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http://HTPC/html/vox_remote.html
This interface is not as elaborate as Dave's, but it includes:

1. Buttons for turning VC to on/off/standby mode.
2. Two volume slider bars. Slide the handle to adjust the volume.

The way I've chosen to implement it, if you click on the slider bar's label, you can also get feedback about what the actual volume level is (e.g., if it is adjusted by some other means and you want to check what it is). The slider handle will also move to the corresponding position. This uses a function I've called 'getVCdata()'. This could actually be used to get any kind of info from VC -- if you want to know whether a light is on somewhere, or any VC action that returns a result, you can use this function if you like.

3. Two toggle switches.

For 2 & 3, I've chosen to trigger events (see screenshot) in VC so that on the VC end I can have more flexibility about what these switches actually do. You could instead have the switches in the UI execute specific actions or whatever you like.

4. A combobox (dropdown menu). This is the easiest thing to adapt if you're more of a novice with web stuff. Each menu option executes a VC.Tellvox action.

This can be used to execute any command in your configuration. If you already have a command like "Who's at the front door?", you can just enter that phrase in the html file where indicated and Bob's your uncle.

5. A text feedback area on the screen to provide some verification that your commands are being sent; I've also used it to display the data I'm getting back from VC (in my case, volume levels).

[NOTE: An updated version of this solution can be found here: http://voxcommando.com/forum/index.php?topic=2321.msg20213#msg20213]

[nime5ter]

**Here is a sample VC command group that uses the events from my vox_remote interface:

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-16"?>
<!--VoxCommando 2.2.0.7-->
<commandGroup open="True" name="VC automator web server" enabled="True" prefix="" priority="0" requiredProcess="" description="">
  <command id="339" name="switch" enabled="true" alwaysOn="False" confirm="False" requiredConfidence="0" loop="False" loopDelay="0" loopMax="0" description="I made sure that the element IDs for relevant tags in my html match the device names stored in my Vera Device map. So I can use {1} in my first action. {2} is 'on' or 'off' (values 0 or 1 in my html).">
    <action>
      <cmdType>OSD.ShowText</cmdType>
      <params>
        <param>{3}</param>
      </params>
      <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
    </action>
    <action>
      <cmdType>TTS.Speak</cmdType>
      <params>
        <param>{3}</param>
      </params>
      <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
    </action>
    <event>VC.Automator.Switch</event>
  </command>
  <command id="340" name="volume levels" enabled="true" alwaysOn="False" confirm="False" requiredConfidence="0" loop="False" loopDelay="0" loopMax="0" description="">
    <if ifBlockDisabled="False" ifNot="False">
      <ifType>(A)==(B)</ifType>
      <ifParams>{1}&amp;&amp;master volume level</ifParams>
      <then>
        <action>
          <cmdType>Sound.SetVol</cmdType>
          <params>
            <param>{2}</param>
          </params>
          <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
        </action>
        <action>
          <cmdType>TTS.Speak</cmdType>
          <params>
            <param>{3}</param>
          </params>
          <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
        </action>
        <action>
          <cmdType>OSD.ShowText</cmdType>
          <params>
            <param>{3}</param>
          </params>
          <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
        </action>
        <action>
          <cmdType>VC.StopMacro</cmdType>
          <params />
          <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
        </action>
      </then>
      <else>
        <action>
          <cmdType>MM.GetVolume</cmdType>
          <params />
          <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
        </action>
      </else>
    </if>
    <if ifBlockDisabled="False" ifNot="False">
      <ifType>LastActionSuccess</ifType>
      <ifParams>{1}&amp;&amp;MediaMonkey volume level</ifParams>
      <then>
        <action>
          <cmdType>MM.SetVolume</cmdType>
          <params>
            <param>{2}</param>
          </params>
          <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
        </action>
        <action>
          <cmdType>TTS.Speak</cmdType>
          <params>
            <param>{3}</param>
          </params>
          <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
        </action>
      </then>
      <else>
        <action>
          <cmdType>TTS.Speak</cmdType>
          <params>
            <param>Media Monkey is not responding.</param>
          </params>
          <cmdRepeat>1</cmdRepeat>
        </action>
      </else>
    </if>
    <event>VC.Automator.Levels</event>
  </command>
</commandGroup>

[PegLegTV]

@nime5ter
 
looks awesome, cant wait to start playing around with it  , doesn't look like your vc_remote.html is attached to your post, also I noticed that on the tcp address it is missing the port that you select when setting up the TCP Server

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http://your VC machine's IP address:yourport/html/vc_remote.html
I've been doing some digging and it looks like there may be a method to get info from VC to Tasker using the TCP server
but with tasker's weaker regex engine (in my opinion) and the way it process the matches,
doesn't seem to be the best option, but I will upload what I found later on so others can use it, as of now I know for sure I can scrape the server to get info I'm still doing some testing to see if I can use the server to have tasker do something based on the server being updated

[nime5ter]

Thanks PegLegTV. Good point. If your VC web server is configured to use a port other than 80, you'll need to include the port number. (Mine is 80 so I didn't think of it.)

I was inspired by your solution above, actually -- initially, because I was thinking of ways to address the problem you were having with getting feedback from VC.

The file vox_remote.html is the first attachment on the first post. It's easy to overlook it because of the screenshot attachments.

[PegLegTV]

The file vox_remote.html is the first attachment on the first post. It's easy to overlook it because of the screenshot attachments.

    my bad, I see it now (I need an emoji for "Foot in Mouth" LOL)

I'll start a new post with what I have found so far with the TCP Server and Tasker comunication so others may use it

[Haddood]

that is more than triple awesome ... I wanted to try this for ages .... but it is a while I have so little time

this bring three ideas
1. I will add to gems a thread called gems of the gems ... as in the french saying "crème de la crème" and this will be number 1
2. maybe a board like xml exchange, but will be html exchange so we can exchange or develop together an interface, standards ... etc.
3. originally my idea was to implement a command that scans the command tree and generate the web pages automatically ... this combined with CSS can create awesome interfaces on the fly. the bases for this already exist ... the routine inside VC that generate the help html ... if that html, have tags, and associated CSS it can be access through TCP webserver easily ...

VC community rocks

[marcusvdt]

that is more than triple awesome ... I wanted to try this for ages .... but it is a while I have so little time

this bring three ideas
1. I will add to gems a thread called gems of the gems ... as in the french saying "crème de la crème" and this will be number 1
2. maybe a board like xml exchange, but will be html exchange so we can exchange or develop together an interface, standards ... etc.
3. originally my idea was to implement a command that scans the command tree and generate the web pages automatically ... this combined with CSS can create awesome interfaces on the fly. the bases for this already exist ... the routine inside VC that generate the help html ... if that html, have tags, and associated CSS it can be access through TCP webserver easily ...

VC community rocks

Yeah  ! I've talked with James about my interest to do this some weeks ago. The payloads could be loaded in drop down boxes in the web pages. And for optimal user experience, we should be able to:
1. tag what groups we want to add to the html page. We probably don't need all the groups exported to the html page.
2. Create navigation menus on the html page so the commands are put together with some logic in mind. For example, all commands for the living room should be automatically place in a living room menu (sub page).
3. We should be able to choose what or how many payloads would actually be put in the proposed drop down. Commands that deal with huge number of payloads should be excluded to keep the web page easy to load. In fact I think we could maybe tag many individual commands to be excluded from the html page.

This is in my pending list together with many other things. My plan is to use autoit script and/or python to accomplish that. The tags as I mentioned above could be, for example, some specific strings that we can place in the name of groups and commands.
Let me know who are interested in this and maybe we can work together and make this happen sooner.

Thanks!

[Haddood]

I find the command and group Description is perfect for placing such tags for the moment... and if it works well... maybe then james can introduce a special field for that in the command and in the group ... shouldn't be hard for him

as for organizing it, I think the collections can be main menu .... and each group is a page ... would be a nice start

[zen_SuR]

did anything ever come out of this? this would be really cool.

[nime5ter]

Hi zen_Sur,

This thread jumps around a lot.

If you're wondering about an Android widget (which was how this thread started), VoxWav Pro now comes with 2 very handy widget options as of release 2.8.1.

see:
http://voxcommando.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=VoxWav_Comparison_of_Pro_versus_Free

and:

[zen_SuR]

I use these Widgets of VoxWav very much! they are awesome.

but i should have been more specific:

I was asking about the dynamic html-remote-creator that generates an interface based on the command tree that can be triggered. so basically a script that makes something like vc-install\plugins\TCP\html\voxremote.html but dynamically...

i see really much potential in "mooding" such a thing.

-such as an easy interface creation for tablets, smartwatches, smartphones,... but i understand that there are many pitfalls

- Just imagine commandhelp.html with an additional inputfield next to every command and a big save-button on bottom. you put in "answers" which are stored in an xml file thats used in a tts.speak confirmation attached to the command.

Now:
imagine letting your friends fill out that stuff remotely...

but why you may ask?

i have such a system integratet and a lot of friends who put a lot of humor in it which surprises me every day. but it involves too much manual handwork to create the form and get the files into the xml's...

ok - i think i also did my fair share of sidetracking in this thread now ...

so any news on this front may be helpful!